Archive of an intern's work for AI based evaluation.

Traces of his work during his internship (original post here - https://kandrucherishrollno68.blogspot.com/2023/09/traces-of-my-work-during-my-internship.html )

 

September 04, 2023

 

Case 1

 

 

 

 

 [31/08/23, 10:33:04 AM] intern1: soap notes 

 

 

 

31:8:23 

 

 

 

ICU Bed 3

 

 

 

Dr.resident1SR)

 

 

 

Dr.resident2(PGY2)

 

 

 

DR.resident3(PGY1)

 

 

 

S: No Fever Spikes

 

 

 

O: Pt is Sedated and Intubated

 

 

 

GCS- E1V1M1

 

 

 

PR-80bpm

 

 

 

RR-15cpm

 

 

 

BP-60/40 mmhg

 

 

 

@20ml/hr NORAD

 

 

 

@14ml/hr DOBU

 

 

 

ACMV Mode

 

 

 

FiO2 @70

 

 

 

SPO2 98%

 

 

 

RS: BLAE +

 

 

 

NVBS

 

 

 

CVS: S1S2 +, No murmurs

 

 

 

CNS: 

 

 

 

Tone :Normal B/L both UL&LL

 

 

 

Power : Unable to elicit

 

 

 

Reflexes: Absent B/L in both UL & LL

 

 

 

I/O 1900/200ml

 

 

 

GRBS 327mg/DK

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A: 3 weeks old L5 burst Fracture & Unstable with PLC injury Planned for L4-L5 S1 Fixation with Heart Failure with Reduced Ejection Fraction (44%) with k/c/o DM since 20 years, k/c/o CAD (PTCA done) 2 years back

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

P: 

 

 

 

 1. INJ NORADRENALINE 4ml + 46ml NS @ 10 ml/ hr 

 

 

 

 2. INJ DOBUTAMINE 1AMP (5ml) + 45ml NS @ 10 ml /hr 

 

 

 

3. INS 3% NACL @ 50 ml/hr I.V /stat

 

 

 

4. INJ PIPTAZ 2.25 gm IV/TID 

 

 

 

5. TAB AZITHROMYCIN 500 mg RT/OD 

 

 

 

6. NEB WITH BUDECORT + IPRAVANT 6 Th hourly 

 

 

 

7. RT FEEDS 100 ml water 2 nd hourly

 

 

 

200 ml milk 4 Th hourly 

 

 

 

8. MONITOR VITALS TEMP; PR; RR ; spo2

 

 

 

9. POSITION CHANGE EVERY HOURLY

 

 

 

 10. INJ. Vasopressin 1ml + 39 ml NS @0.4 ml/hr

 

 

 

 11. INJ. Midazolam 30ml+ INJ Fentanyl 4ml + 16ml NS @4ml/hr

 

 

 

 12. INJ HAI ACC to GRBS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[31/08/23, 3:44:59 PM] Prof: Please share the post admission transfer events of yesterday in detail as to how and why the patient had to undergo CPR @intern2 @intern3

 

 

 

 

 

[31/08/23, 3:52:38 PM] Prof: Did he have any recent trauma @inter2 ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's not clear! In the description it's mentioned years and here it's mentioned weeks. Please clarify

 

 

 

 

 

[31/08/23, 6:04:12 PM] intern1: Yes Sir H/0 trauma (slip and fall from steps) 3 weeks back and also 

 

 

 

H/o Rt proximal femur fracture Intramedullary Interlocking nailing done 10 years back

 

 

 

 

 

[31/08/23, 6:28:04 PM] intern1: Sir the Patient t was shifted from Ortho ward at around 11:30 am in an altered state but the patient was responding when called by his name and obeying commands. At that time the Vitals were

 

 

 

PR-134bpm

 

 

 

BP-60/40mmhg

 

 

 

RR-10cpm

 

 

 

Then Patient was shifted to ICU immediately and ABG and S.Electrolytes were sent.Ionotropic support was started with INJ. DOBUTAMINE and INJ. NORAD. On reporting Sod was found to be 122mEq/L and diagnosis was Altered Sensorium secondary to hyponatraemia. Further Sodium correction was given. After giving correction of 3%Nacl, Sodium was found to be 124mEq/L and patient’s condition didn’t improve. Again Sodium Correction was kept with 3%Nacl @ 30ml/hr. On auscultation grunting was observed and saturations decreased to below 90% with O2 support and also Neb with Budecort and Ipravent was done. Inspite of all these efforts patient’s saturations didn’t improve and continuously decreased to around 78% to 80% and decision to intubate was taken. During intubation Patient went to cardiac arrest and 3 cycles of CPR was done, ROSC was achieved and patient was kept on ventilator ACMV VC mode with FiO2 100%.

 

 

 

 

 

[01/09/23, 9:37:14 AM] intern1: soap notes 

 

 

 

1:9:23

 

 

 

ICU Bed 3

 

 

 

Dr.resident1(SR)

 

 

 

DR.resident3(PGY2)

 

 

 

DR.resident5(PGY1)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

S: No Fever Spikes

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

O: Pt is on Mechanical Ventilator 

 

 

 

GCS- E1V1M1

 

 

 

PR-130bpm

 

 

 

RR-14cpm

 

 

 

BP-100/60 mmhg

 

 

 

@10ml/hr NORAD

 

 

 

@10ml/hr DOBU

 

 

 

ACMV Mode

 

 

 

FiO2 @30

 

 

 

SPO2 99%

 

 

 

RS: BLAE +

 

 

 

Decreased BS in IAA with crepts present in Lt IMA; Rt MA, IMA, IAA

 

 

 

CVS: S1S2 +, No murmurs

 

 

 

CNS: 

 

 

 

Tone :Normal B/L both UL&LL

 

 

 

Power : Unable to elicit

 

 

 

Reflexes: Absent B/L in both UL & LL

 

 

 

Brain stem reflexes:

 

 

 

Pupillary reflex- absent

 

 

 

Corneal reflex- absent

 

 

 

Conjunctival reflex- absent

 

 

 

Gag reflex- Present

 

 

 

Occulocephalic reflex- Present

 

 

 

P/A- Soft, NT

 

 

 

I/O 1900/200ml

 

 

 

GRBS 327mg/DK

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A: 3 weeks old L5 burst Fracture & Unstable with PLC injury Planned for L4-L5 S1 Fixation with Heart Failure with Reduced Ejection Fraction (44%) with k/c/o DM since 20 years, k/c/o CAD (PTCA done LAD Lcx Territory) 2 years ago

 

 

 

S/P Post CPR status with chronic calcific Pancreatitis 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

P: 

 

 

 

1. INJ NORADRENALINE 4ml + 46ml NS @ 10 ml/ hr 

 

 

 

2. INJ DOBUTAMINE 1AMP (5ml) in 45ml NS @ 10 ml /hr 

 

 

 

3. INJ. Vasopressin 1ml + 39 ml NS @0.4 ml/hr

 

 

 

4. INJ. Midazolam 30ml+ INJ Fentanyl 4ml + 16ml NS @4ml/hr

 

 

 

5.TAB AZITHROMYCIN 500 mg RT/OD 

 

 

 

6.NEB WITH BUDECORT + IPRAVANT 6 Th hourly 

 

 

 

7.INJ THIAMINE 1 Amp In 100 ml NS IV/BD

 

 

 

8.RT FEEDS 200 ml water 2 nd hourly

 

 

 

200 ml milk 4 Th hourly 

 

 

 

9.MONITOR VITALS TEMP; PR; RR ; spo2

 

 

 

10.POSITION CHANGE EVERY HOURLY

 

 

 

11.INJ HAI ACC to GRBS

 

 

 

12.INJ.MEROPENEM 500mg IV/BD

 

 

 

13.INJ HEPARIN 500 IU S.c/ QID

 

 

 

15.INJ LEVIPIL 1gm IV/BD

 

 

 

 

 

[01/09/23, 9:45:27 AM] Prof: 👆The EF is much more than 44% in this video taken yesterday @919676979003 where it appears to be 60% and the only other prominent finding is the LVH that appears absent in his Ecg (but that just reflects the 30% sensitivity of Ecg to pick up LVH) 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Possible that he may have developed cardiogenic shock pre arrest which is when the 44% Echo was done? Can you share that video if possible?

 

 

 

 

 

[01/09/23, 9:46:13 AM] intern1: Yes sir 

 

 

 

 

 

[01/09/23, 10:06:09 AM] intern1: Sir the video wasn’t taken sir I’ll try to find the report

 

 

 

 

 

[01/09/23, 10:07:07 AM] intern1: Update @9am Sir

 

 

 

Temp is 101

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[02/09/23, 4:10:15 PM] Prof: Please share all the events that happened around him from falling 3 weeks back to presenting at our hospital

 

 

 

 

 

[03/09/23, 10:04:28 AM] intern1: Sir the patient fell from staircase 1 month back. Then he had severe pain of lower back radiating to his lower limbs. So he was taken to a nearby hospital in Nalgonda where X-rays and they were told that no fracture was found, he was also taken to another hospital and the same happened again. Then CT scan was done wherein they found the L5 unstable burst fracture with PLC injury and a belt was given to contain the fracture along with some analgesics for the pain. As the patient wasn’t compliant to the treatment given and the pain was severe he was brought to our hospital and he was advised L4 L5 S1 posterior stabilisation.

 

 

 

[03/09/23, 10:16:36 AM] intern1: Sir the whole 3 weeks span of him coming to our hospital he was having good appetite, he was compliant with his OHAs, he had no other complaints except for his pain

 

 

 

[03/09/23, 10:17:02 AM] intern1: Should I ask the attenders anything in particular sir?

 

 

 

[03/09/23, 10:21:40 AM] Prof: Ask them what was he doing hourly in the past three weeks and was it any different from before he fell down

 

 

 

[03/09/23, 10:22:25 AM] intern1: After coming to our hospital he had three episodes of vomiting, non bilious, non foul smelling ,food particles as content. The morning before he was shifted to ICU

 

 

 

[03/09/23, 10:47:00 AM] intern1: He used to just lie down on bed the entire day sir and there were no irregularities observed by the attenders sir

 

 

 

[03/09/23, 11:20:49 AM] Prof: Was he bedridden before the fall three weeks ago?

 

 

 

[03/09/23, 11:23:15 AM] intern1: No sir

 

 

 

[03/09/23, 11:24:07 AM] intern1: He wasn’t bedridden, he used to do his daily activities sir

 

 

 

[03/09/23, 11:44:02 AM] Prof: What were his hourly daily activities?

 

 

 

[03/09/23, 12:01:43 PM] intern1: Sir He used to wake up at 6 Am

 

Does his daily activities by 7:30 Am

 

Breakfast around 9:00 Am

 

Has lunch by 1:00 Pm

 

And then takes a nap

 

Evening he chats with neighbours and has his dinner around 8:30pm 

 

And sleeps by 9:30 pm

 

 

 

[03/09/23, 12:35:43 PM] Prof: These were same even after the fall since last three weeks?

 

 

 

[03/09/23, 6:46:36 PM] intern1: Yea sir but he used to not do his daily activities and he used to just lie down on bed the whole day

 

 

 

[03/09/23, 7:49:34 PM] Prof: That means he was bed ridden after the fall

 

 

 

Case 2: 

 

 

 

 

 

[31/08/23, 7:00:29 AM] Prof: 58 is a strange pulse rate for a person in pain @919676979003 ?

 

 

 

[31/08/23, 7:00:59 AM] Prof: Clinical images, blood sugars, CBC?

 

 

 

 

 

[31/08/23, 7:48:09 AM] intern1: Sir will update the fever chart and all the investigations now sir

 

 

 

[31/08/23, 7:50:08 AM] Prof: A standing image of lateral abdomen and biceps

 

 

 

[31/08/23, 7:51:05 AM] intern1: Yes sir

 

 

 

[31/08/23, 7:52:39 AM] intern1: Yes sir for someone in pain ,they are generally tachy

 

 

 

[31/08/23, 7:53:06 AM] intern1: Even the ECG showed Brady sir

 

 

 

[31/08/23, 7:53:35 AM] intern1: I’ll upload everything by 9 sir

 

 

 

 

 

[31/08/23, 9:34:50 AM] intern1: GRBS

 

12 pm - 200

 

8pm-208

 

 

 

10pm-125 

 

31/8

 

2AM-220

 

7AM-220

 

 

 

 

 

[31/08/23, 12:25:58 PM] intern1: 31/08/2023 

 

Ward : ward

 

Unit : 2

 

DOA : 30/08/2023  

 

 

 

S : 

 

C/o abdominal pain decreased

 

(Dull aching in lower abdomen)

 

Nausea+

 

Stools not passed

 

Flatus passes +

 

 

 

O:  

 

Patient is conscious, coherent

 

No Pallor, icterus,clubbing, cyanosis, lymphadenopathy, oedema.

 

 

 

Vitals :   

 

Temp Afebrile

 

BP- 130/90mmHg 

 

PR -86bpm 

 

RR-16 cpm 

 

CNS: NFND

 

CVS: S1,S2 heard , no murmurs.

 

RS: BAE, NVBS, no added sounds.

 

P/A: Rigid,NT

 

Pain in lower abdomen

 

Bowel sound 3/min

 

Sluggish

 

 

 

 

 

A: Acute Pancreatitis with alcoholic ketosis with k/c/o DM ll since 6 months with indirect hyperbilirubinemia

 

 

 

P:

 

IV fluids @75 ml/hr 

 

Inj. Neomol 1Amp in 500 ml NS/IV/BD

 

Inj pantop 40 mg IV/OD/BBF

 

Inj Zofer 4 mg IV/BD

 

 

 

 

 

[31/08/23, 5:03:45 PM] Prof: Is he really having lumbar lordosis or the image has been taken in that manner to match his suspected type 2 diabetes? Or is it type 3?

 

 

 

[01/09/23, 12:25:40 PM] intern1: Image has been taken like that sir

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Case 3

 

[23/08/23, 2:28:52 PM] Prof: Update her FBS,PPBS And HBA1C @intern2 @intern3

 

 

 

 

 

[23/08/23, 2:47:50 PM] Prof: What is the difference between ionized and serum and how are both done separately?

 

 

 

[23/08/23, 2:51:09 PM] intern1: Sir S.Calcium is the total calcium in the blood whereas Ionised calcium is the active form of calcium or the free calcium

 

 

 

 

 

[25/08/23, 11:24:44 AM] intern1: soap notes 

 

25:8:23 

 

Female medical ward-8

 

Dr.resident6(SR)

 

Dr.resident2(PGY2)

 

DR.resident5(PGY1)

 

 

 

S:

 

Neck pain decreased compared to yesterday.

 

Headache decreased compared.

 

1 Episode of Vomiting- Yesterday night

 

No Fever spikes

 

Stools passed

 

O: 

 

pt is C/C/C 

 

No signs of pallor, Icterus, clubbing, cyanosis,lymphedenopathy, pedal edema 

 

BP: 120/80mmhg

 

PR: 78bpm 

 

RR: 18cpm

 

Temp: 96.2 F

 

Cvs: S1,S2 heard, No murmurs 

 

RS:BAE+

 

P/A: distended and non tender 

 

CNS: No FND 

 

Neck Examination 

 

Restriction of movements decreased

 

Able to flex and extend

 

Neck stiffness -

 

kernig’s sign -

 

Brudzinki sign -

 

A: 

 

NECK PAIN-CERVICAL RADICULOPATHY (C5-C6) with Paraspinal Spasm

 

K/C/O HTN SINCE 4 YEARS WITH PERIPHERAL VERTIGO secondary to Vertebro basilar insufficiency 

 

WITH DENOVO THYROID DISEASE (HYPOTHYRODISM) WITH Left CERVICAL LYMPHEDENOPATHY WITH DENOVO DMII

 

 

 

P: 

 

1.INJ. Diclofenac Im/sos

 

2.T.Dolo 650 mg po/sos

 

3.T. Nicardia 10 mg po/sos

 

4.T. Losartan+T. Hydrochlorothiazide 50mg/ 12.5 mg 

 

5.T. vertin 8 mg po/bd 

 

6.T. Thyronorm 75 mcg po/od 

 

7.T. Metformin 500 mg po/be

 

8.T. Cinod 10 mg po/od

 

9.T. Myoril 2ml IM/BD

 

10.INJ. Zofer 4mg IV/SOS

 

11.INJ.PAN 40mg/IV/OD

 

12.T.PREGABA 75MG/PO/HS

 

 

 

[25/08/23, 2:57:10 PM] Prof: Peripheral vertigo everyday since 4 years!!?

 

 

 

[25/08/23, 2:57:51 PM] Prof: You have updated just one patient today? 

 

 

 

You have only work responsibility for just one patient throughout the day?

 

 

 

[25/08/23, 3:03:43 PM] intern1: Sir as there are only 2 interns in each Unit we’ve been called to help The interns in OP sir.

 

 

 

[25/08/23, 3:10:49 PM] intern1: Vertigo only since the past 10 days Sir

 

 

 

[25/08/23, 4:38:18 PM] Prof: If there is two interns and one patient in the ward it's logical to have one intern go and help in opd

 

 

 

[25/08/23, 4:38:58 PM] intern1: Yes Sir we are helping Unit 5 on their OP days

 

 

 

[25/08/23, 4:40:31 PM] Prof: Not we. Only one of the two interns who doesn't have a patient in the ward

 

 

 

[25/08/23, 4:41:07 PM] intern1: Yes Sir

 

 

 

[28/08/23, 9:03:06 AM] intern1: soap notes 

 

28:8:23 

 

Female medical ward-8

 

Dr.resident4(SR)

 

Dr.resident2(PGY2)

 

DR.resident5(PGY1)

 

 

 

S:

 

Neck pain decreased .

 

No Episodes of Vomiting since yesterday and Na

 

No Fever

 

sleep adequate 

 

Stools not passed

 

O: 

 

pt is C/C/C 

 

No signs of pallor, Icterus, clubbing, cyanosis,lymphedenopathy, pedal edema 

 

BP: 120/80mmhg

 

PR: 82bpm 

 

RR: 16cpm

 

Temp: Afebrile 

 

Cvs: S1,S2 heard, No murmurs 

 

RS:BAE+

 

P/A: soft and non tender 

 

CNS: No FND 

 

Neck Examination 

 

Restriction of movements decreased

 

Neck stiffness -

 

kernig’s sign -

 

Brudzinki sign -

 

Finger finger incoordination absent

 

Finger nose incoordination absent

 

Spine tenderness absent

 

Nystagmus absent

 

EOM movements absent

 

Diplopia absent

 

No Increased ICT features

 

Cervical LN palpable in Lt occipital triangle 

 

No palpable axillary LN

 

A: 

 

NECK PAIN-CERVICAL RADICULOPATHY (C5-C6) with Paraspinal Spasm

 

K/C/O HTN SINCE 4 YEARS WITH PERIPHERAL VERTIGO secondary to Vertebro basilar insufficiency 

 

WITH DENOVO THYROID DISEASE (HYPOTHYRODISM) WITH Left CERVICAL LYMPHEDENOPATHY WITH DENOVO DMII with Migraine

 

 

 

P: 

 

1.INJ. Diclofenac Im/sos

 

2.T.Dolo 650 mg po/sos

 

3.T. Nicardia 10 mg po/sos

 

4.T. Losartan+T. Hydrochlorothiazide 50mg/ 12.5 mg 

 

5.T. vertin 8 mg po/bd 

 

6.T. Thyronorm 75 mcg po/od 

 

7.T. Metformin 500 mg po/be

 

8.T. Myoril 2ml IM/BD

 

9.INJ. Zofer 4mg IV/SOS

 

10.INJ.PAN 40mg/PO/OD

 

11.T.PREGABA 75MG/PO/HS

 

12.T.Clonazepam 0.25mg PO/HS

 

 

 

 

 

 

Using bard with prompt for qualitative evaluation of cbble/udhc/pajr/case records analysis

Prompt:- 

A medical student is given task to create case records for patients and analyse it, research it and find ways to improve care process while collaborating with the healthcare staff. Analyse the case record data given by student below and give me  insight on how many levels of bloom's taxonomy the student have covered and how many he have missed so i can grade him for his effort.

Also find if student have done critical appraisal of any research articles and show me all the article links.

Also show me if student have presented critical appraisal in pico format.

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https://bard.google.com/share/a36ade450575  this is output of prompt for qualitative evaluation of cbble/udhc/pajr records analysing separately,  all 3 case records presented here http://classworkdecjan.blogspot.com/2023/09/archive-of-interns-work-for-ai-based.html?m=1

This can also be a method for self analysis for students to improve their case records as well as for evaluators/educators, and there is scope for further automation to grade quantitatively based on qualitative analytical by bard.

There are no hallucinations noted by me.

*Limitation* of LLM/bard based portfolio grading - a student can find a hack by playing at each level once to score highest rather than playing for the patient benefits and prioritise and let scores be byproduct of it.

Solution - case mentor eg. As we have @⁨Dr. Rakesh Biswas sir, or interns may be having PGs and sir being aware of it and so keeping students directed towards patient priorities.

Analytics by bard can be automated and even real time by Integrating bard in an app/excel sheets.

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Dpdp for UDHC/PaJR

 [10/08, 11:38 am] Dr. Avinash Kumar Gupta: Project idea - Dpdp bill impact on UDHC/PaJR model. (If anyone wanna try) 

+ve/-ve/recommendations.

[10/08, 11:40 am] Dr. Rakesh Biswas sir: Will mention it today in the SWOT time permitting 

What do you feel? 

Would the bill be a threat to what we are doing?

[10/08, 11:41 am] Dr. Avinash Kumar Gupta: Thanks sir!

Not a barrier but an enabler I feel. (Based on my prior exposure with hipaa in context of UDHC)

[10/08, 11:42 am] Dr. Rakesh Biswas sir: Enabler in what way? Share in the context of the bill

[10/08, 11:42 am] Dr. Avinash Kumar Gupta: Sure sir, I am yet to open it's pdf and read. I will try today and update in a few hours.

[10/08, 11:44 am] Dr. Rakesh Biswas sir: Will be looking forward to your quotes from this

[10/08, 11:44 am] Dr. Avinash Kumar Gupta: Sure sir

[10/08, 12:29 pm] Dr. Avinash Kumar Gupta: Page 3

(t) “personal data” means any data about an individual who is identifiable by or

in relation to such data;

(u) “personal data breach” means any unauthorised processing of personal

data or accidental disclosure, acquisition, sharing, use, alteration, destruction or loss

of access to personal data, that compromises the confidentiality, integrity or availability

of personal data;

[10/08, 12:35 pm] Dr. Avinash Kumar Gupta: *CHAPTER II*

OBLIGATIONS OF DATA FIDUCIARY

4. Grounds for processing personal data.

5. Notice.

6. Consent.

7. Certain legitimate uses.

8. General obligations of Data Fiduciary.

9. Processing of personal data of children.

10. Additional obligations of Significant Data Fiduciary.

*CHAPTER III*

RIGHTS AND DUTIES OF DATA PRINCIPAL*)

11. Right to access information about personal data.

12. Right to correction and erasure of personal data.

13. Right of grievance redressal.

14. Right to nominate.

15. Duties of Data Principal.

[10/08, 12:41 pm] Dr. Avinash Kumar Gupta: Page 9 ( _we don't have good mechanism for this but its doable_ )

(1) The Data Principal shall have the right to obtain......

....(a) a summary of personal data which is being processed by such Data Fiduciary

and the processing activities undertaken by that Data Fiduciary with respect to such

personal data;

(b) the identities of all other Data Fiduciaries and Data Processors with whom

the personal data has been shared by such Data Fiduciary, along with a description of

the personal data so shared; and

(c) any other information related to the personal data of such Data Principal and

its processing, as may be prescribed.

[10/08, 12:45 pm] Dr. Avinash Kumar Gupta: _With PaJR approach (whatsapp) we don't have deletion mechanism_ but it's not needed as we already remove personal data (I.e. identifiers)

(3) A Data Principal shall make a request in such manner as may be prescribed to the

Data Fiduciary for erasure of her personal data, and upon receipt of such a request, the Data

Fiduciary shall erase her personal data unless retention of the same is necessary for the

specified purpose or for compliance with any law for the time being in force.

[10/08, 12:54 pm] Dr. Avinash Kumar Gupta: _Enabler point_

“Data Fiduciary” means any person who alone or in conjunction with other

persons determines the purpose and means of processing of personal data;

[10/08, 12:56 pm] Dr. Avinash Kumar Gupta: _Enabler point_

(g) “Consent Manager” means a person *registered with the Board*, who acts as

a single point of contact to enable a Data Principal to give, manage, review and

withdraw her consent through an accessible, transparent and interoperable platform

[10/08, 1:02 pm] Dr. Avinash Kumar Gupta: _Enabler point_ (we already mention about open sourcing data in consent and more importantly its already deidentified so no "personal data")

4. (1) A person may process the personal data of a Data Principal only in accordance

with the provisions of this Act and for a lawful purpose,—

(a) for which the Data Principal has given her consent; or

(b) for certain legitimate uses.

[10/08, 1:11 pm] Dr. Avinash Kumar Gupta: *Summary*

This bill clearly defines 1) personal data, 2) data fiduciary, 3) consent manager. 

We do not share or process personal data explained in the bill as we already remove it by deidentification.

I need to understand more about consent manager, we already have consent management in place though there is always scope for improvement.

This bill doesn't clearly list what is a personal data and what is not as in hipaa but it's understandable based on the definition. Our deidentification process is robust for that.

This bill doesn't talks about deidentified data and also about its open sharing, but if we are deidenfying responsibly then we are correct with our process.

So overall we don't need to make any changes in the process to be compliant to it (except probably *board registered consent manager person* )

[10/08, 1:15 pm] Dr. Avinash Kumar Gupta: Yes. In that case all rights of data principle will be applicable and must be done. 

But you may recall, we don't add the patient but a patient advocate/care manager who knows the patient. This way the patient is deidentified.

[10/08, 1:53 pm] Dr. Avinash Kumar Gupta: If the bill had a line that open sharing of data after removing "personal data" is allowed with consent then it could be 100% fit for us. 

People dealing with hipaa and gdpr do share open access data 

*Recommendations and conclusion*

We have several recommendations for sharing sensitive healthcare data within the EU (Fig. 4). First, it is important to have a multidisciplinary team of experts with in-house knowledge to tackle legal, ethical, economic, and technical issues. Second, external parties can be involved in assessing the privacy and data protection risks to acquire unbiased risk assessments. Third, the risk of re-identification (for both anonymised and pseudonymised data) should be adequately accounted for. The de-identification methodology we recommend is K-anonymisation, as performed by AmsterdamUMCdb. Fourth, patient consent is not always required by the GDPR, as indicated in Fig. 1. Fifth, adherence to transparency when publishing open data and trust between patients and other stakeholders is crucial when sharing health data30,31. This includes the legal obligation for the hosting institution to inform patients through its privacy statement that their data can be shared and reused for investigation purposes. Sixth, the commitment of the hosting institution is required for a successful publication process. The institution should be willing to back up the project when unforeseen obstacles present themselves (i.e., costs and/or effort). Ultimately, data should be stored and analysed in the cloud, if possible, so the data cannot be downloaded. If infeasible, strict governance should be implemented. To guide future initiatives in sharing open healthcare data, we included a Gantt chart in the supplementary information14 as a planning guideline. In conclusion, publishing open health data in the EU might be challenging, but it is essential for developing modern-day healthcare. The experiences and lessons learned from these four successful databases can guide the development of new open European ICU databases.

Reference to above paragraph.  It's not from dpdp bill. It's from "A guide to sharing open healthcare data under the General Data Protection Regulation" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41597-023-02256-2

[10/08, 2:00 pm] Dr. Avinash Kumar Gupta: Ref - https://www.nature.com/articles/s41597-023-02256-2

[10/08, 2:01 pm] Dr. Avinash Kumar Gupta: Reference to above paragraph.  It's not from dpdp bill. It's from "A guide to sharing open healthcare data under the General Data Protection Regulation"